Summary - topics:
1) the value of the Cellar
2) the stability of sims for renting
3) Roles and powers
4) Lag
[11:02] San Mauvaise: I do not have a particular agenda for today, but would firstly like to hear other's opinions of what they think about the state of the Cellar and maybe its future
[11:03] San Mauvaise: anyone want to start?
[11:03] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): the Cellar has always been about it's members
[11:03] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:03] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): regardless of location
[11:04] San Mauvaise: do continue gwen
[11:04] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): and it's membership goes up and down. yet it continues
[11:04] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:04] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): it has an enduring legacy
[11:05] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:05] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): and like the phoenix, when it's days seemed numbered it is resurrected
[11:05] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): why?
[11:05] San Mauvaise: :-) seems so gwen!
[11:05] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): because it is so popular
[11:06] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): loyal members who value it
[11:06] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): and would be a shame for it to die
[11:07] San Mauvaise: I think it is popular because of its caring ethos, and the quality of its members
[11:07] San Mauvaise: anyone else?
[11:07] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): indeed so Miss San
[11:07] Carla (cyberspy): I love the community aspect here.
[11:07] Carla (cyberspy): People are genuinely caring and nice.
[11:07] Carley Noonan: I believe in this place
[11:08] Carley Noonan: completely
[11:08] Carley Noonan: we have the best collection of women in SL
[11:08] Carley Noonan: we have great teachers
[11:08] Carley Noonan: great friends
[11:08] Carley Noonan: great conversations
[11:08] Carla (cyberspy): This is a wonderful club in my opinion
[11:08] Carley Noonan: and great parties
[11:08] San Mauvaise: not that we are biased of course ;-)
[11:08] Mermaid Stormcrow nods in agreement with Carley and it's unique
[11:08] Lilitha Triellis giggles
[11:09] San Mauvaise laughs
[11:09] Mermaid Stormcrow grins
[11:09] San Mauvaise: often people come near at the start of their D/s life in SL and after times of crisis in their SL life
[11:09] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov) nods
[11:10] Carla (cyberspy): I have been to other clubs and its not usually this friendly or cohesive.
[11:10] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:10] Miana Siabonne: usually not cohesive period
[11:10] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): Usually lots of dead silence at the places with a lot of people too.
[11:10] Carley Noonan: I think this space we are in is a big reason for that
[11:10] Carley Noonan: we actually come here and talk
[11:10] Miana Siabonne: Most times it's 20-30 people standing around looking at each other and silence reins
[11:10] Carla (cyberspy): Dead silence like SH
[11:10] Carley Noonan: and I think we owe Miss Sasha a ton for the furniture
[11:11] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): you can buy at a discount out in the foyer
[11:11] Carley Noonan: keeping this space comfy yet role appropriate
[11:11] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): nods, not a sex sim. but a community to gather and enjoy intercourse of a different meaning
[11:11] Barbi Burnstein: if i may say Miss - its a real community and my favorite place to come !
[11:11] San Mauvaise: This place helps, but the atmosphere of the Cellar has been constant whereever it has been
[11:12] Mermaid Stormcrow: nods in agreement with Fawn.
[11:12] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): nods
[11:12] Miana Siabonne: very true Miss San
[11:12] Miana Siabonne: It's why I keep coming back :)
[11:12] San Mauvaise: and the fact we chain you here ;-)
[11:12] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): haha
[11:12] San Mauvaise laughs
[11:12] Carley Noonan laughs
[11:13] Mermaid Stormcrow: I like how we promote relationships vs sex. We have the areas and tools for that if women want, and we encourage getting to know people first.
[11:13] Fawn Starflare grins and giggles
[11:13] San Mauvaise: nods, listening
[11:13] Lilitha Triellis giggles".. Geez, you have to chain her to keep coming back? I feel like im left out all of a sudden.." giggles'
[11:13] San Mauvaise: anyone else?
[11:13] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): As one of the more outsider-types with my smaller interest in DS and such, the friends I've made are my reason for coming back too.
[11:14] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): is this comment time or concerns time?
[11:14] San Mauvaise: either tessa
[11:15] San Mauvaise: maybe we should move on to concerns/tuning etc.
[11:15] Fawn Starflare nods
[11:15] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): we are getting a lot of new folks in and i know we are good with greeting, but if folks can spend time here during their day to help?
[11:15] Mermaid Stormcrow nods....good one, t. Gwen and I have committed to Tues Thurs and Sat from 5-7 pm.
[11:16] Carley Noonan: I've noticed that too
[11:16] Carley Noonan: My RL is unpredictable right now but I am going ot try to be here
[11:16] Carla (cyberspy): I try to. I stop in from time to time and even in middle of night.
[11:16] Mermaid Stormcrow: I wonder about having a schedule available for people to put their names in or that others can see who is here
[11:16] San Mauvaise: that is hard to organise rigidly, but it is always approeciated if members sit here and welcome
[11:16] Carley Noonan: and i can monitor folks from my house and try to pop in
[11:16] San Mauvaise smiles at Carley
[11:16] Miana Siabonne: there's a difference between members and staff though
[11:17] Miana Siabonne: Members is everyone, staff's whoever volunteers for the effort
[11:17] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena) is almost always either here or home with a few rare wandering explorations.
[11:17] Fawn Starflare: I've be gone for about 2 months due to health concerns and moving. However i am settled in and will resume being here mornings and thursday discussions.
[11:17] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): awesome Miss Fawn
[11:17] San Mauvaise: I do hope you are better Fawn!
[11:17] Carley Noonan: I do think the start of fall is rough on regularity in SL
[11:17] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): (sorry you were not well)
[11:17] Carley Noonan: this summer I felt like we were full all the time
[11:17] Carla (cyberspy): great to hear. I have missed your discussions
[11:18] San Mauvaise: well the late summer is always a time people are away from SL
[11:18] Fawn Starflare smiles, "I look forward to resuming."
[11:18] Barbi Burnstein: now that i have cleared up a few sl situations i can be here more too Miss San
[11:18] San Mauvaise: good
[11:19] San Mauvaise: maybe if you *can* be here any times you could tell tessa, and she could then tell others where they're are gaps if she is asked
[11:19] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): i think we consider Cellar Mistresses and Cellar Slaves as staff, do we or not?
[11:19] San Mauvaise: I *do* understand that RL often makes it difficult to be regular
[11:20] San Mauvaise: OK, the regular Mistresses are not staff, but what are now the "Cellar Mistresses" and "Cellar Submissives" are
[11:20] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): Cellar Mistresses and Cellar slaves
[11:20] Mermaid Stormcrow: ok
[11:20] Miana Siabonne: different title and extra group powers
[11:20] Miana Siabonne: Like ban and eject for one
[11:21] San Mauvaise: but I do not differentiate a lot - members are members
[11:21] Fawn Starflare: so no need to wear a "staff" tag?
[11:21] San Mauvaise: the "staff" are just those who have a particular comitment to this place
[11:21] Mermaid Stormcrow: hmmm I hope ban and eject can only be done by a very select few.
[11:21] Miana Siabonne: Only to use the extra powers that come with that tag
[11:21] Carley Noonan: and INVITE
[11:21] Miana Siabonne: that's why it's limited to staff
[11:21] Carley Noonan: INVITE is the key ;)
[11:22] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:22] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): yes, i have invited hundred when i was staff
[11:22] San Mauvaise: but the powers are secondary, to just being there to welcome and help people, especially newbies (to either D/s or SL)
[11:22] Mermaid Stormcrow: which leads me to who can invite people to be cellar friends?
[11:22] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): welcoming and helping is what we all do, regardless of role
[11:23] San Mauvaise: Well I wish SL groups were more flexible in its rules so any member could invite people as friends etc.
[11:23] San Mauvaise: but one either has an invite power or not, which is a bit of a pain
[11:24] Miana Siabonne: is what tag they can give others
[11:24] San Mauvaise: explain more mia
[11:24] Miana Siabonne: Only Miss San can give someone the Staff tag
[11:24] San Mauvaise: ok
[11:24] Miana Siabonne: Only staff and Miss San can give Mistress and Slave tags
[11:24] San Mauvaise: ok
[11:24] Miana Siabonne: and every member should have the power to give Friends tag
[11:24] San Mauvaise: ok
[11:25] Mermaid Stormcrow: oh? How is that done, mia?
[11:25] San Mauvaise: that is good
[11:25] Miana Siabonne: It's in the roles and abilities sections under the group
[11:25] Fawn Starflare: Simple invite is as friend
[11:25] Miana Siabonne: and changing any of that is Owner only
[11:25] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): and btw, if you invite to group, it may take a reboot or a while to also give them their Mistress/sub/slave tag
[11:25] Fawn Starflare: No, tessa,
[11:25] Barbi Burnstein: oh...i need to change it to friend first?
[11:26] Carla (cyberspy): many times you have to greet the person and offer a tag right then or they are forever gone.
[11:26] Fawn Starflare: you just need to refresh the group information.
[11:26] Mermaid Stormcrow blushes....but everything is COVERED....
[11:26] Miana Siabonne: Can I put out a suggestion then?
[11:26] Miana Siabonne: To cover all these concerns
[11:26] San Mauvaise: yes mia, shoot
[11:26] Miana Siabonne: and Tessa can takes notes
[11:26] Fawn Starflare: San, really?
[11:26] Miana Siabonne: Item for the Future:
[11:27] Miana Siabonne: Review and fix the group roles and powers/abilities and put in on a notecard
[11:27] Miana Siabonne: They used to be setup perfectly but something happened last year and it got messed up
[11:27] Miana Siabonne: and like a specific list of which tag can do what with their group powers
[11:27] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): see Roles notecard in jar
[11:28] San Mauvaise: ok, they have been changed about every 6 months, but another review is noted!
[11:28] Miana Siabonne: the roles nc is nice, but it doesn't list specific powers for each role
[11:28] Miana Siabonne: Just a general description of the role
[11:28] Mermaid Stormcrow: good idea mia
[11:29] Fawn Starflare: Specific powers are listed under the roles in the group info.
[11:29] San Mauvaise: a single notecard, but I will try and make it explicit and list all this stuff
[11:30] Fawn Starflare: With circles and arrows and notations as to which is which.
[11:30] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): please send any suggesting you have in Revised notecards and we can compile and review
[11:30] Miana Siabonne: ok spreadsheet on a NC then :P
[11:31] San Mauvaise: ok so that is powers and roles
[11:31] San Mauvaise: any other concerns
[11:31] Fawn Starflare: Tess, you know there are 4 or 5 dozen different powers that can be allocated, most of them pretty technical.
[11:32] Mermaid Stormcrow: Renting has some pros and cons
[11:32] Carley Noonan: I think there is only 5 or 6 that we need to worry about though Fawn
[11:32] Carley Noonan: invite, kick, assign role
[11:33] San Mauvaise: any other concerns than roles?
[11:33] Mermaid Stormcrow: Tessa has created this amazing resource for the Cellar through renting
[11:34] San Mauvaise: yes what mia started and tessa finished is fantastic
[11:34] San Mauvaise: my thanks to both of them
[11:34] Mermaid Stormcrow: and gwen and I have chatted about renting here.
[11:34] Mermaid Stormcrow: One of my biggest concerns is feeling secure in renting
[11:34] Mermaid Stormcrow: knowing that my land will be there and in the shape how I left it
[11:35] San Mauvaise: well I do not see any threat to the existence of these sims in the near future Mer
[11:35] Miana Siabonne grins
[11:35] Miana Siabonne: Neither do I Miss San
[11:35] Denise Diesel: I'm planning to move on land. And I see no dangers there
[11:35] Carley Noonan: I have made a big rental comitment recently and feel very safe
[11:36] Carley Noonan: I did speak with Ashlynn first, which I guess is a missing piece here
[11:36] Carley Noonan: at this meeting
[11:36] Mermaid Stormcrow: Perhaps, I'm not making myself very clear
[11:36] San Mauvaise: Ashlynne is very busy in RL ATM but tessa here is in charge of rentals
[11:36] Mermaid Stormcrow: let me try again
[11:37] Mermaid Stormcrow: it's not the rentals themselves
[11:37] Mermaid Stormcrow: it's the land on which I may rent.
[11:37] Mermaid Stormcrow: the terraforming of it
[11:37] Miana Siabonne: ah
[11:37] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:37] Miana Siabonne: If I may Miss San?
[11:37] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena) hints at sunken vanished land.
[11:37] San Mauvaise laughs
[11:37] Miana Siabonne: her concern is one I need to answer
[11:37] San Mauvaise: yes mia you may
[11:38] Miana Siabonne: As of now, only Tessa and I can actually terraform anything
[11:38] Carley Noonan: (I wasn't complaining about Ashlynn not being here btw, just observing)
[11:38] Miana Siabonne: I and think Tessa will agree, can and will go and make minor changes at renters requests
[11:39] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:39] Lex Berchot: okay, can I make a comment?
[11:39] San Mauvaise: yes lex, always
[11:39] Lex Berchot: I get actually what Miss Mer is getting at and since I am known for being as blunt as a two by four ....
[11:39] San Mauvaise smiles
[11:39] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): laughs
[11:39] Lex Berchot: It's not the first time that an entire sim has been mowed down.
[11:39] San Mauvaise: a four by four surely!
[11:40] San Mauvaise blushes
[11:40] Miana Siabonne looks ashamed
[11:40] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): I was being pretty blunt I thought.
[11:40] Miana Siabonne: that won't happen again Lex
[11:40] Mermaid Stormcrow: thank you lex, that's exactly what I was so gently trying to say
[11:41] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): Mia said she was sorry
[11:41] Miana Siabonne: It's my fault entirely that happened
[11:41] Miana Siabonne: and for no cause at all
[11:41] Carley Noonan: what is a 2X4 in metric?
[11:41] Denise Diesel: we're all human and mistakes are there to be made
[11:41] Lex Berchot: It's not about who's at fault ... It's about business sense and continuity that renters desire and want.
[11:42] Lex Berchot: If it doesn't happen ... then that is fine. :)
[11:42] Mermaid Stormcrow nods with lex's words.
[11:42] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): yes and with its past history the Cellar is not attractive to renters
[11:42] Miana Siabonne: Comment please
[11:42] Lex Berchot gives the floor.
[11:42] Miana Siabonne: Speaking for Ashlynn, these sims are not going anywhere
[11:43] Miana Siabonne: Unless something drastic happens in her RL, she will not be releasing them or getting rid of them
[11:43] Carley Noonan: And if we get them rented thats even better ㋡
[11:43] Miana Siabonne: and she's expressed nothing but happiness that the club stays here
[11:43] Miana Siabonne: She LIKES to see someone enjoy this place
[11:43] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): and she loves the rent money
[11:43] Miana Siabonne: the rent money's nice I admit :P
[11:43] Mermaid Stormcrow rolls my eyes at tessa
[11:44] Mermaid Stormcrow grinning
[11:44] Denise Diesel: she needs it, I guess
[11:47] Carley Noonan: we are only renting to members though?
[11:47] Carley Noonan: right?
[11:47] Miana Siabonne: correct
[11:47] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): yes'm
[11:47] Carley Noonan: good
[11:49] San Mauvaise: ok unless there is anything VERY urgent, I suggest the meeting is closed
[11:49] Mermaid Stormcrow: very good meeting
[11:49] Mermaid Stormcrow: thanks everyone
[11:49] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): so far we have covered the need for roles clarification (send revised notecards with suggestions), 2) rental issues, 3) the value of the Cellar
[11:52] Denise Diesel: most people I invite or take with me, complain about the lag
[11:52] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): ah good topic
[11:52] Miana Siabonne: ah
[11:52] San Mauvaise: nods
[11:53] Miana Siabonne: The sims full
[11:53] Miana Siabonne: or almost mostly full
[11:53] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): so lexi could you describe to us what contributes to lag
[11:53] Lex Berchot: I don't think the lag is something you can do something about very much.
[11:53] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): What she's talking about isn't lag but frame-rate.
[11:53] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): Frames per second.
[11:53] San Mauvaise: explain akala
[11:53] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): is it related to your computer?
[11:54] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): It's related to the computer's of the person.
[11:54] Carley Noonan: Its a graphics capacity issue
[11:54] Carley Noonan: on the hardware
[11:54] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena) nods to Carley.
[11:54] Carley Noonan: the fix is to lower quality
[11:54] Denise Diesel: I myself have no complaints and indeed I've set my fps to a medium value
[11:54] Carley Noonan: on the viewer
[11:55] Carley Noonan: we have a lot of very nice graphic textures here
[11:55] Miana Siabonne: is it worse inside the club or outside?
[11:55] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): A friend has suggested upgrading to more mesh things rather than prims, which would help some.
[11:55] Denise Diesel: and I must say, I'm still very happy with the contents
[11:55] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): so instructions to set graphics on medium?
[11:55] Fawn Starflare: lag depends on the server running the sim and whether your comp has enough RAM and fast graphics.
[11:56] San Mauvaise: ok but if the Cellar is slower than other places, that is a difficulty
[11:56] Carla (cyberspy): I personally have no lag as I upgraded to a fast system. You can turn graphics down to medium or high as needed too.
[11:56] Fawn Starflare: fall down on either of those two and these sims are brutal because of the number of visible elements.
[11:56] Barbi Burnstein: a friend helped me with my settings - i think i have it on a notecard somewhere if that would help anyone...
[11:57] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): maybe post that nc for others on a board?
[11:57] Brenda Connolly: I don't have any issues here. I do have a good machine, so I am able to run everything on full and it's fine.
[11:57] Denise Diesel: we as members could start with reducing animations
[11:57] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): is it the graphics? is it the objects? is it the number of people?
[11:57] San Mauvaise: yes good idea gwen
[11:57] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): I would need my friend to explain it better but, what she said on mesh is that, instead of loading all sizes of a prim item, it only requires loading one or two sides of a mesh item.
[11:57] Carley Noonan: There are places that are a LOT worse than here
[11:57] Fawn Starflare: oh there is one other factor
[11:58] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): That helps with some of the frame-rate issue.
[11:58] Fawn Starflare: this is a BDSM sim.
[11:58] Fawn Starflare: as a consequence we have a very, very high script count.
[11:58] Barbi Burnstein: i cant go into clubs and expect my laptop to keep up
[11:58] San Mauvaise: ok can we have a small group who can write a nice clear NC about it and send it to me for editing and further claification --- to check mortals can understand it
[11:58] San Mauvaise: then we will send on the list
[11:59] Fawn Starflare: but most lag is in user graphics rendering.
[11:59] Akala Tanara (slyan.alena): I'll ask my friend to send me a notecard explaining what I was trying to.
[11:59] Carley Noonan: Do the "clear visible cache" objects do anything really to help folks with slower systems?
[12:00] San Mauvaise: ok I declare this meeting closed - its is never to last more than 1 hour!
[12:00] Carley Noonan: Thanks everyone
[12:00] San Mauvaise: thank you everyone!
[12:00] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): lexi, do you have comment about lag
[12:00] San Mauvaise: and its lovely to see you all
[12:00] Lex Berchot: Not in lieu of what Akala said and most people don't understand lag. :)
[12:00] Gwen Pet (gwendolyn.sweetwater): a most fruitful discussion
[12:01] ღ Ţєşşa Romanov ღ (tessaromanov): thank you A/all for coming :)
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